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		<title>Lewispaul at 01:24, 9 December 2012</title>
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		<title>Lewispaul: Created page with &quot;For SMPS applications I have successfully used LTspice to design EMI filters, but I always start out by running an ac simulation rather than the much more time consuming time ...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2012-12-09T01:23:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;For SMPS applications I have successfully used LTspice to design EMI filters, but I always start out by running an ac simulation rather than the much more time consuming time ...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;For SMPS applications I have successfully used LTspice to design EMI&lt;br /&gt;
filters, but I always start out by running an ac simulation rather&lt;br /&gt;
than the much more time consuming time domain simulation followed by&lt;br /&gt;
an fft. This is done by substituting frequency dependent B-source(s)&lt;br /&gt;
for the transistors/ diodes at the place in your circuit where the&lt;br /&gt;
rectangular switching waveforms would be during a transient run. The&lt;br /&gt;
B-source can be made to approximate the peaks of sin(x)/x sort of&lt;br /&gt;
spectrum you would see in an fft of a repetitive pulse with limited&lt;br /&gt;
transition times (your switching waveform minus the ringing).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the netlist snippet for the EMI current injected into the&lt;br /&gt;
first capacitor of the input filter in a buck type design:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
V1 1V 0 AC 1&lt;br /&gt;
E1 LIM 0 FREQ {V(1V)*1} ( 500k, 66, 0) (501k, 60, 0)&lt;br /&gt;
B1 EMI 0 I=Gain/1uV*V(1V) laplace=1/((1+s/{P1})*(1+s/{P2}))&lt;br /&gt;
.param Vdc=300 Idc=1.3 f=100kHz tr=60n d=.4&lt;br /&gt;
.param Gain={2*Idc*d} P1={2*f/d} P2={2/tr}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
V1 sets up a unity (0dB) reference both for generating the limit&lt;br /&gt;
line (in E1) and the EMI shaped by the Laplace source, B1. The poles&lt;br /&gt;
for the Laplace statement depend on the amplitude, frequency, duty&lt;br /&gt;
cycle and rise time of the switching waveform (as defined in the&lt;br /&gt;
parameter statements). In real life your circuit&amp;#039;s EMI source will&lt;br /&gt;
almost always have additional ringing in the time domain that will&lt;br /&gt;
generate several resonant peaks beyond the simple pulse frequency&lt;br /&gt;
domain envelope approximation given above (but it is a good start).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can check the validity of this approximation by comparing it to&lt;br /&gt;
an fft of a pulse source set up matching the parameters. Bear in mind&lt;br /&gt;
that any SMPS switching cell invariably injects pulses of current&lt;br /&gt;
into the capacitor on its one end and pulses of voltage into the&lt;br /&gt;
inductor on its other side. If you poke around on the net you might&lt;br /&gt;
find one of the several papers justifying and explaining this&lt;br /&gt;
technique in detail.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Differential mode EMI results directly from the switching action&lt;br /&gt;
and can be well simulated by replacing the switching cell with their&lt;br /&gt;
equivalent sources as described above. However, the source of common&lt;br /&gt;
mode EMI is not so straightforward and will probably require several&lt;br /&gt;
guesses and/or measurements of various key stray capacitances between&lt;br /&gt;
EMI &amp;quot;hot&amp;quot; nodes and chassis (PE). The most common critical points are&lt;br /&gt;
switching transistor-to-heatsink mounting capacitance and transformer&lt;br /&gt;
primary-to-secondary interwinding capacitance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is very easy to make good models of your LISNs in LTspice and&lt;br /&gt;
you will have to model the line cord as loosely coupled inductors.&lt;br /&gt;
Depending on the specified test setup (i.e, whether your test unit&lt;br /&gt;
is bonded directly to the testing ground plane or sitting a specified&lt;br /&gt;
distance above) you may need to add into your simulation a few&lt;br /&gt;
chassis-to-ground plane capacitors (usually tens of pFs). These&lt;br /&gt;
can be responsible for some nasty common resonances in the upper&lt;br /&gt;
MHz range.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One last caveat: be sure to make use of LTspice&amp;#039;s unique ability to&lt;br /&gt;
accept realistic parasitics (ESR, ESL, etc.) into the definition of&lt;br /&gt;
the capacitors and inductors in your EMI simulation circuit model.&lt;br /&gt;
Fill them all in even if you have to guess. EMI suppression film&lt;br /&gt;
capacitors typically have ESLs of 10nH to 50nH and ESRs of 3m to&lt;br /&gt;
30m ohms.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Good luck to all -- analogspiceman&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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